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Re: Budgeting with QuickBooks

@JamesOng  I would be interested to hear your insight on this budgeting in QuickBooks article.

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Hey @ptruesdell,

 

This is a terrific and very thoughtful article. I love the visuals and how you broke down the process step-by-step. You do a great job of making what seems to be an insurmountable challenge feel like a manageable task (especially step 4, everyone, read step 4!).

 

I was working on an article specifically about the QB budgeting feature. I think I can really get to the meat of what that piece will be about here - the in-product budget tool  works well if (a) you have complete financials from previous years and (b) you tracked everything, including assets and expenses, into QuickBooks because you can use historical data from previous years to create new budgets in subsequent years.

 

It may feel like a bit of up-front labor getting everything into QuickBooks, but I can't even begin to tell folks how much more effective their financial forecasting will be with complete and accurate data. All this work getting your financials together to get an accurate view of your business' health is in service to so many functions in QuickBooks, not just budgeting (think a "stress-less" tax season).

Gif for how to create a budget from historicals in about 15 seconds:

 

Budgets-from-actual-data.gif

 

Great work, Patrick. I've enjoyed some of your other work on your blog as well!

 


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Re: Budgeting with QuickBooks

In QuickBooks desktop (this article), you can upload your budgets back into QuickBooks. You can't do that in QuickBooks Online.

 

In QuickBooks desktop, you can also create your budgets for Balance Sheet and Profit and Loss whereas, in QuickBooks Online, the budget is for Profit and Loss only.

 

In QuickBooks desktop, they also have:
- Forecast
- Cash Flow Projector
- P&L Budget Performance
- Budget vs. Actual Graph

 

Hope QBO will have the same (or better) valuable tools some day.

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@vpcontroller

 

Thank you for your input on QBDT Budgeting features, I am less familiar with it - there's so much to the Desktop version. 

 

In your experience, how useful is it to use the data in QuickBooks to create a true, accurate business budget?

 

 

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Great question @vpcontroller .  I can speak from experience on this matter.  QuickBooks, along with even the large ERPs, can store the budget numbers that are created.  But they are not good tools for actually creating the budgeted amounts in the first place.

 

Reasons why

1) You need to be able to easily copy forward amounts.  For example rent will be $3,000 a month for the next three years.  

2)  You need to have multiple details under each general ledger account.  For example you will spend $300 a month for LinkedIn and $500 a month for Indeed.  Both of these transactions will go into the the general ledger account #7010 Recruiting, but you can only enter one amount into QuickBooks for the budgeted amount for #7010.  So, when the actuals start posting next year and recruiting is higher or lower than budget, you won't know whether it's LinkedIn driving this variance or Indeed.

3)  You generally need collaboration on the budget process.  In fact, if you have multiple departments, collaboration is pretty much mandatory.  That means that you are going to need to set up access for every budget collaborator if you want them to get into QuickBooks to see the budget.  That can be expensive, time consuming, and QuickBooks, while awsome, has some form of a learning curve for non-accountants.

4)  You need to track the various versions of your budget, so you can see pass#1, pass#2, etc.  QuickBooks, as far as I know, can only store one version per year.

 

Summary.

QuickBooks, and other uber expensive ERPs, are perfectly fine for storing budgeted amounts per GL and reporting budget to actuals on a general ledger level basis.  But these programs are not designed for a company to be able to actually create budgets.  You need Excel, Adaptive Insights, or Host Analytics.

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@ptruesdell and @vpcontroller, great thoughts all around.

 

I want to focus back down to users - the store owner who does accounting for 30 min in the evenings, the accounting student who moonlights as bookkeeper, the fellow who just became an LLC and needs to create a quick budget to get an idea of where to go based on the last 6 months of excel data he has (because that's the purpose of a budget).

 

@ptruesdell, I like where you're going with this and your passion/insight on the topic is obvious. Do you think these tools are accessible to folks who are ultra-conscious of time and spend? Or are the tools available "good enough" to get a basic idea? 

I am always concerned about simplicity and connecting folks with tools that are a good fit. As someone who loves data, I can get into this more robust process and going down the rabbit hole, but is it for everyone?

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I think that the built in budgeting tools for QuickBooks are great for a company that is just starting out their budgeting process.  So many times, I see companies say that budgeting is too hard, and then they don't do any budgeting at all.  I think the built in QuickBooks tools, like in the meme that you displayed above, are awsome for those business owners that don't have a lot of Excel experience or the time or desire to put together a really elaborate budget for their companies.

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@ptruesdell,

 

Exactly. I am sure @vpcontroller would agree with this assessment. That's the knowledge gap that holds back many folks who aren't comfortable with or have trouble learning technology, whether that means computers or cameras or anything really.

 

If it looks too difficult, sounds too difficult, they just won't do it. They ignore it completely. Then the challenges pile up and up. Before they know it, they've completely overlooked the task and become overwhelmed by the results. 

 

How best to bridge this gap? You have a lot of experience. I'd love your perspective on how we can encourage more business owners to do budgets which help them be more successful, whether that solution is new technology or a new approach to technology


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