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strictlymacin
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

PLEASE INTUIT make a quickbooks DATABASE SERVER available for Synology DSM. My life would be better.

strictlymacin
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

SO lame. Intuit is a typical embedded company that thinks because they have market domination, they can rest and not provide any modern day solutions and major software upgrades. Creating a simple port of the QB Database Server to Synology DSM is not hard or insecure. Its jsut not profitable to Intuit and could actually cost them business. Just be honest about it, instead of lying about security issues and needing a server OS blah blah blah. Lies and excuses. 

strictlymacin
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

STOP USING THIS LAME EXCUSE YOU READ OFF A SCRIPT. THIS IS BS. ALL MODERN NAS HAVE FULL SERVER HARDWARE AND OS. MY SYNOLOGY DS HAS 32GB RAM, QUAD CORE INTEL ATOM 64-BIT PROCESSORS, DUAL 10GBE SFP AND 72TB OF STORAGE RUNNING CURRENT DSM. MAKE A QUICKBOOKS SERVER APP AVAILABLE FOR NAS OS ALREADY.

TonyB1
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

I updated my NAS to the latest version of DSM last week and they made some changes to the SMB protocol. Since then, the access has been much quicker. Still slow but quicker than before!

quickerbooks
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

I am NOT an Intuit employee, and I have a personal interest in accomplishing the goal of moving the QB database to my NAS.

 

It has been a while since QB 2016 was released.

 

Current software is 2019 Desktop, for those of us running local software.

 

It needs to be said that porting the database server manager to a vendor-specific NAS OS puts Intuit in the difficult position of having to retest and support the ported version with every release of each NAS vendor OS. Those releases often come months apart, if not sooner. Hiring a group of programmers to do something like that, which is strictly a cost line item with no related income is something that very few companies will do.

 

Having said that, it is important to consider the following issues (obstacles) in our way:

1) Most, if not all NAS vendors are running some flavor of Linux, so we need a way to run the DB server manager Windows app from Linux.

2) There are a number of solutions out there for doing this, notably WINE, which runs on top of Linux and translates Windows API calls to Linux equivalents. There is a growing library of apps which have been proven to run on WINE, but it will take the dedicated effort of SOMEONE to make that happen.

3) One of the requirements for DBSM is the ability to 'see' the file as living on a local drive. I'm not sure what makes it possible for DBSM to detect that a drive is mapped vs. local, but that will need to be figured out.

4) Another requirement is the ability of workstations to map a drive to the database host, so that they can open the file. That will require the ability to expose the abstracted drive in WINE so that remote machines can reach it. Anyone know how to do that ?

5) There are other solutions, such as Docker, which also have the ability to provide this functionality, which again will require research and maintenance. Any Docker gurus out there ?

6) Running a full-blown OS in a container will chew lots of resources on a NAS, so unless you have invested real money in one, meaning the cost of a server, it's not practical to do that.

7) DBSM may be a process running on top of an OS, but it has a GUI. Can it be launched without the GUI running ? Anyone try that ? It must be possible one way or another to reach the GUI so that you can configure the database setup. Can the process be reached remotely and the GUI invoked ?

8) Exactly what functions are being performed by DBSM ? Are all calls to the database being made through it, or is it simply a gatekeeper ? Someone would need to spend time with a network analyzer and some other tools in order to reverse-engineer the process (not that anyone I know would do such a thing).

9) There is a fundamental difference between a server and a desktop OS. One aspect of that is that the server version is optimized to 'serve' files. Accordingly, whatever underlying software there is for DBSM needs to not defeat that capability.

10) There are small versions of Windows OS, such as Windows Core Server or even Nano, but they don't have a GUI, so we run into the same issue mentioned above.

 

I will grant that none of the public-facing staff at Intuit have the depth of knowledge to discuss what is being said here, but at the same time, the above considerations are very real.

 

Still, if anyone is successful at implementing this, I'm sure that we would all jump at the chance to try it.

 

On the other hand, it would be absolutely unsupported, and, like the sign at the skating rink says, "at your own risk". Do we really want to roll the dice with some of the most critical data our companies have ?

RobbieRobski
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Glad I found this topic. I wonder if this will work on non enterprise quickbooks. https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/configure-for-multiple-users/install-linux-databas...

 

However, seeing as they DO have linux support for enterprise, it's reasonable that they could do something similar for non enterprise quickbooks. I'd much rather even have a dedicated raspberry pi with debian just for quickbooks than a full blown windows pc.

 

As others have said, Synology branded NAS do run a linux distro and if I'm not mistaken debian. and I'm sure the people at intuit are smart enough to figure out a way to build  a version of dbsm that would be able to be deployed on a few flavors of linux, while not directly supporting any particular NAS vendor.

 

It just depends on how greedy they want to be.

 

I mean they literally time block functionality in prior versions (preventing users from manually importing web connect QBO files), so I wouldn't hold my breath that they will actually do something good for their customers.

I look forward to the day that I can replace quickbooks with something else at a similar price (not SAAS).

iNowUseWaveApps
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

"This is to ensure stability and performance."

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If there is one thing Intuit knows nothing about, it is stability and performance.

MLunser
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

has this changed now for QB 2020?

MLunser
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Any updates on this for QB 2020?

Ryan_M
Moderator

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Hi @MLunser,

 

Moving forward, it's the QuickBooks Database Server Manager that you can use for a multi-user setup for QuickBooks Desktop. 

 

If you have other concerns, place them in the comments below. I'll be sure to get back to you.

jkfcb
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Your link "Multi-User access changes in QuickBooks Desktop 2016 and later." no longer works.

 

Can you please direct me to the location that it now exists at?

 

Thank you!

AileneA
QuickBooks Team

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Hi there, @jkfcb.  

 

Please allow me to join the thread and help share information about Multi-User access in QuickBooks Desktop.

 

When you set up and install a multi-user network, make sure you have set folder permissions on your host computer. Then, we need to install the database server manager on your server. If you use QuickBooks in a multi-user mode, you required to sign in to Windows as a user admin rights. After you've set up everything, you need to turn on the multi-user access on your computer. Go in QuickBooks Desktop, then go to the File menu and hover over Utilities. Select Host Multi-User Access. Then choose Yes to confirm. 

 

I'm here anytime you have questions with Multi-user access. You can reach out to me by clicking the Reply button below. Have a great day!

TonyB1
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

I have been running ~30 QB Desktop databases off of a Synology NAS for years. Since QB broke that connection I have been dealing with the slow connection. I finally installed a ridiculous solution that works.

1 - Used an old PC running Win 10 Home to act as a server

2 - Copied my Q: Drive to the server

3 - Running QB Server Manager

Everything is running really fast, like it should. To back up the files I do this:

4 - Run Second Copy on server to Sync files between the server and the NAS

5 - Run iDrive on the NAS to continually backup the NAS to the cloud

6 - As a safety net I also copy the QB folder on the NAS to OneDrive as insurance (these are client files)

 

As a bonus, the old PC I used as a server has a SSD drive and is really fast! I do nothing else with this box, just QB. I TeamViewer in to it weekly to check it and upgrade it.

Pascalli
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Why are you copying the data to your QB "Server"?  Why not just create an iSCSI LUN for the QB Data, and attach to it from the server using iSCSI Initiator?  

Intut is terrible
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Quickbooks sure is making it more and more difficult to want to use there product.

 

Guess you guys can just blow smoke and all these people with modern companies and networks will find another product.

 

Intuit is terrible!!!! Tsheets is terrible, qb online is terrible

 

I will spend my money on something far more expensive but that is usefull!

aejones3
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Checking in if there were any updates. We have our file stored on a Synology NAS and recently upgraded from Premier to Enterprise. We were able to keep the file on the mapped drive from the NAS and work in multi-user setup in Premier. However, now that I've switched to Enterprise, I'm back to square one, and nobody via the tech support at Intuit has been able to assist me in getting multi-user back working. 

 

I tried to located the previously mentioned qbw.ini file to adjust that (as I rememeber this working in the past), however cannot locate that anymore. 

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

aejones3
Level 1

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Following up if there are any updates as of 2022? We have our file on a Synology NAS and upgraded from 2019 Premier to Enterprise and now cannot host in multi-user. Any help would be appreciated. 

Jovychris_A
Moderator

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Thanks for joining us in this thread, @aejones3, to check the Synology NAS compatibility with QuickBooks Desktop Enterprise.

 

Synology NAS is no longer applicable for the later versions of QuickBooks Desktop like Enterprise 2019 to host in multi-user.

 

To get the best experience, we use the QuickBooks Desktop Database Server Manager in a multi-user setup for QuickBooks Desktop. 

 

You can also check out this article about specific types of networks you can use to run QuickBooks: Recommended networks for QuickBooks.

 

I hope you find this information moving forward. Feel free to comment anytime if you have further concerns. I'm always here to assist.

Spinky
Level 2

Quickbooks 2016 on NAS

Yes you are right. Because MS Server never gets hacked. Intuit is just plain lazy. A horrible company IMO

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