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Luisa_G
Level 2

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

Hi,

I am using QB advanced payroll and the Employer NI contributions are calculated without taking into account the employer 3% contribution to the workplace pension. Can anybody advise what setting should be changed to ensure we get this deduction? Thanks 

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Best answer January 18, 2024

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paul72
Level 8

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

Hi @Luisa_G 

I don't use QBO Payroll but pension contributions do not ordinarily attract NIC relief (employer or employee) - so, from what you're describing, QBO Payroll is correct.

 

It is possible (though more complicated) to run your pension scheme in conjunction with a salary sacrifice arrangement - this would attract NIC relief if done correctly & is possibly what you're thinking of.

 

Hope this helps.

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Ashleigh1
QuickBooks Team

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

Hello Luisa_G, thanks for posting on the Community page, you need to check the pay category. So if you click on payroll>payroll settings>under pay run settings- pay categories> click on the pay category for example salary> and make sure both of these are ticked as they need to be, Employee pensionable and Employer pensionable and you will also need to check the pension settings you can check it from the payroll > payroll settings>pension settings under business settings column and click the pension scheme to check the setup.  You can also check the employee settings too.

Luisa_G
Level 2

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

Hi Ashleigh1,

Thank you for your feedback.

I have checked all the payroll settings and they seems to be set-up correctly.

Nonetheless, the Employer pension contribution is not deducted from the Employer NI contributions.

Any other suggestion? Because of this we are paying more Employer NI than what is due.

Thanks 

Clark_B
QuickBooks Team

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

Hi there, @Luisa_G.

 

Let me chime in and provide information about pension contributions that are not deducted from the Employer NI contributions in QuickBooks Online (QBO).

 

Since the payroll settings and setup are correct, I suggest checking the employee's year-to-date to see if they were over-deducted in the previous payroll for NI contributions, which may be why it wasn't deducted now.

 

If it has been confirmed, I recommend contacting our support team for further assistance or verification.

 

Here's how:

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  2. Select the Search tab, then choose Contact Us.
  3. Type in your issue or concern in the field.
  4. Hit Continue.
  5. Click the Chat or Callback option.

 

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For more detailed steps, please refer to this article: QuickBooks Online Support.

 

For future reference, I'll also add this article to guide you in running a report: Run reports in QuickBooks Online.

 

Please feel free to drop a comment below, if you have further concerns about payroll, pension contributions, or other QBO-related concerns. I will answer them in any possible way.

Luisa_G
Level 2

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

HI,

Thank you for your feedback. 

It is our first year using QB Advanced Payroll and the Employer monthly pension contribution should be deducted each month from the Employer NI relevant earnings before the Employer NI contribution is calculated.

I will contact the support team

Thanks 

 

paul72
Level 8

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

Hi @Luisa_G 

I don't use QBO Payroll but pension contributions do not ordinarily attract NIC relief (employer or employee) - so, from what you're describing, QBO Payroll is correct.

 

It is possible (though more complicated) to run your pension scheme in conjunction with a salary sacrifice arrangement - this would attract NIC relief if done correctly & is possibly what you're thinking of.

 

Hope this helps.

Luisa_G
Level 2

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

Hi,

Yes, you are correct.

I got confused as I have to look into setting up a salary sacrifice arrangement for one employee.

Thank you!

Freckles888
Level 3

Employer NI contribution and workplace pension

I realise this post is old, and is not necessarily directly related to the original query, but thought this may help others on similar issues. 

 

A 'relief at source' scheme is where the employee receives basic rate tax relief at source when they pay their net pension contribution, i.e. tax and NI are deducted on gross salary first; In this case however the pension provider will claim relief back on behalf of the employee, paid back to their plan.

 

In a net pay scheme, contributions are deducted from the employee's gross salary before tax has been deducted, but after NI is deducted on gross.Basically employee and employer NICs are calculated on gross salary.

 

With Salary Sacrifice; contributions are deducted from the employee's gross salary before tax and NI calculations, both employer and employee save on NIC.

Note: this may only be beneficial for certain level of employees above a particular threshold or those self-assessment tax payers.

 

All our employees have a salary sacrifice arrangement for their pension contributions.
Both employee and employer contribute typically contribute a % each into a pension scheme set-up by the employer. 

We have one employee who uses the workplace pension (NEST) and has a salary sacrifice arrangement.
We use NEST but do not use Pensionsync. Further details are provided here: 

https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-uk/help-article/retirement-benefits/pension-quickbook...

 

For salary sacrifice pension arrangements specifically, it is important to ensure that in QBO payroll the Pay Deduction Category is set up correctly, for example say "Pension Salary Sacrifice"[*]. This is a "Pre-tax Deduction" and NI should be set to Reduce Niable earnings,

 

In QBO AP using the Manual Set-up process, create a scheme name, e.g. "Pension-Workplace". Complete your company admin details and scheme provider details and name.  Add one or more types of 'Contribution Plans', which is used for groups of employees where % deductions differ per group.
For example, if using NEST pensions (UK), you may have one or more Groups set up there, e.g. Group 1 and Group 2, and it may be more identifiable to use the same titles for each Contribution ID here, if you wish (these can be amended).

In each Contribution Plan, you typically enter the corresponding figure for the employee % and employer %
If using salary sacrifice, enter the employer % and enter employee % under salary sacrifice (not employee %)
Ensure you add the 'Deduction Category' [*].

 

Now select an 'Employee', under 'Pay Run Settings', click on 'Pay Run Inclusions'
1) Click Add HMRC adjustment:
Contribution Type -> 'Employer pension contribution'
Amount -> Fixed -> enter the total amount for the employee (employee + employer contribution)
Start date and end date and SAVE.
2) Click Add 'Deductions';
Select the Deduction Category [*]
Amount => Fixed -> enter the employee amount only.
Select Deduction 'paid to pension scheme', then select the scheme from drop down

 

Under salary sacrifice arrangements, an employee doesn’t make any contributions to the pension scheme themselves.


Payments to the pension provider are employer only**, as such the provider will not claim tax relief on behalf of the employee, since the employee has already benefited from reduced tax and NI.  In addition, the employer will benefit from the NI saving as well.

 

It is important to ensure that the pay deduction category is correctly set-up regarding impacting NI calculations or pensionable salary.
This resolved the calculation for us so the employee and employer NI is calculated *after* the pension salary sacrifice has reduced the gross salary.

 

Quickbooks does provide further information here too:
https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-uk/help-article/pensions/set-pension-salary-sacrifice...

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