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BardwellJ
Level 2

Handling refundable deposits

I've been on the chat many times with QB support over this issue, and they get me partially towards solving this problem. However, I thought I would ask about it here since there seem to be quite a few facets to my problem.

 

I run a frozen food business. The food is delivered in re-usable glass containers. I charge a refundable deposit for these containers. I was advised to take the following steps to avoid reporting the refundable deposit as income.

1. Add a line item on the first invoice for the container deposit.

2. Create an expense for the amount of the deposit.

3. Create a matching credit memo for the deposit (I have been using a positive number here - should it possibly be a negative number??)

 

Before I refund the deposit, there is a discrepancy between different customers. Sometimes, the expense shows up in the customer's transaction list, and sometimes it doesn't, although it does show up in the list of expenses overall. Perhaps this has to do with the order in which I did 2 and 3 above?

 

But, generally, this works fine until I come to refund the refundable deposit. I send the customer an e-transfer and match this to the expense (#2 above). For some customers, once this is done, it shows that the credit memo is "unapplied". For other customers, it shows the credit memo as "closed". Why would this be?

 

The serious problem that I have is that these expenses and credit memos create a problem in reconciling the bank account used for the transactions. At the moment, this bank account balance differs from the amount in QB by twice the total value of all the container deposits, regardless of whether they have been refunded or not.

 

I thought this article might be helpful.

 

https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/banking/dealing-with-refunds-when-reconciling-bank...

 

So, I tried creating a refund receipt matching the credit memo. All this did was to make the discrepancy in the reconciliation worse. Despite what this article implies, I was unable to make a refund receipt as a negative value.

 

Many thanks for the help.

 

Jennifer

 

 

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PrachiJoshi
Level 5

Handling refundable deposits

Hello Bardwell,

 

I love these situations. First thing is to note that any deposit (refundable or not) is a liability, until it is earned, which should go on the balance sheet.

So, you have a client who bought $100 worth of frozen food and you have charged him $5 for the refundable containers. In total, you received $105. The entry should be behind the scenes:

 

Debit AR or bank $105

  Credit Sales $100

  Credit Refundable deposit $5

 

When you pay the client, the entry will be

Debit Refundable deposit $5

  Credit Bank or AR $5

 

But it gets complicated with the balance sheet. The easiest option would be to use a sales account and the debit the sales account when you pay the deposit back. At the end of the fiscal year, talk to your CPA and transfer the remaining balance in your sales account to the balance sheet.

 

Entries with this option will be:

 

Debit AR or bank $105

 Credit Sales $100

 Credit Refundable deposit $5 (this is a sales account)

 

When you pay the deposit back:

 

Debit Refundable deposit $5 

 Credit bank $5

 

I like this option because you are working with the bank numbers making the reconciliation much easier for you.

 

Thanks

Prachi Joshi

 

BardwellJ
Level 2

Handling refundable deposits

Thanks, and maybe this is the way to do it in the future. But how do I correct all the past entries?

PrachiJoshi
Level 5

Handling refundable deposits

How long do you have to go back?

BardwellJ
Level 2

Handling refundable deposits

A long time. I want to find a work-around to fix the old entries without making a big mess ;)

PrachiJoshi
Level 5

Handling refundable deposits

You will have to find a bookkeeper who can do this. Hard to advice a fix without looking at the file.

 

You can use the find a proadvisor button.

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