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I was on here last year trying to find an answer and Rustler came the closest but no cigar. This is an Equity question and I will try to be brief as I can.
Example:
I have three member/Partners. We receive money from our clients. When we receive it we deposit it to the bank. After the deposit we deduct all expenses for the job we received the money on. We end up with a net profit. The net profit is split 4 ways. 40% goes into a reserve bank account and the remaining 60% is split between the member/partners.
Since the money has been deposited to the bank already, we do a bank transfer from bank A to bank B for the reserve.
Then we do a check from the bank and debit owners draw. The money never sits in the bank long before we draw it out. The problem is, at the end of the year we have a huge negative equity balance for each member/partner.
I understand that if I put my own personal money into the business, I would credit my investment account causing a positive balance and when I take it out I would debit owners draw:
Credit Investment $1000
Debit owners draw $1000
Net Equity equals $0
Sorry this is so long
As it is now, there is never really an investment, only a draw
Money from client $15,000 deposit to bank A net effect is $15,000 credit
All expenses have been reduced to $10,000 net profit
40% is bank transferred to bank B ($4,000) leaving a balance in the bank of $6,000
We write a $2,000 check to each member and debit owners equity.
This leaves a negative -$2,000 in each members account.
What initial entry can I make that will increase the investment equity by the initial $2,000
so that when I do a debit to owners draw it just balances out?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know I said brief, but.....
Clay Embick
This leaves a negative -$2,000 in each members account.
What initial entry can I make that will increase the investment equity by the initial $2,000
so that when I do a debit to owners draw it just balances out?
Unfortunately, you can't until year-end. QB books all current year profits to Net Income and you can't make any adjusting entries to that without using income or expense accounts which, obviously, you don't want to do. At year-end, your net income will be closed out to Retained Earnings, at which point, you can allocate that to the equity accounts with an adjusting entry.
So at the end of the year how do i know which accounts to offset and how do i do it? If I never show an investment to owners equity to offset the draw, I am always going to be negative.
Been looking for a real good answer on this for almost 2 years
Thanks
You didn't mention the business structure but it sounds like an LLC taxed as a partnership. Let's use the example from your original post. Your net income is $10,000, all of which will sit as net income on your P&L until year-end. On 1-1-24, QB will automatically transfer the $10,000 from net income to members' equity. At that time, you will have ($6,000) in partner draws. To zero that out, debit members' equity and credit their respective equity accounts.
Thank you. The time frame I am working with we were an LLC Partnership, just trying to close the books as we are now an LLC taxed as an S Corp
I will try to make this short
We get paid every month through distributions. The client pays us and we have our net profit to distribute after words. The money gets deposited into the bank and at the end of the month we take a draw. When we take the draw, we write a check and the owners equity draws account goes negative (understandably).
Now, unless there is someway to deposit or transfer that money into our equity investments account, it will always be negative.
I have noticed, that this has an adverse affect on the P&L. I am trying to get to this equation:
Client deposit to bank 1234 = $6,000 bank 1234 has a balance of $6,000
Somehow I want to move that $6,000 to each of the owners investment account before we distribute
creating a credit balance (increase) in that account. So now when I write a check against draw, it doesn't doe the following:
Check to partner A = $2,000 = partner A draw account goes negative $2,000 (should be $0)
Check to partner B = $2,000 = partner B draw account goes negative $2,000 (should be $0)
Check to partner C = $2,000 = partner C draw account goes negative $2,000 (should be $0)
I pray this is more clear
Thank you for your assistance
I have noticed, that this has an adverse affect on the P&L.
How is this affecting your P&L? Partner draws have no effect on your P&L. The only accounts affected are your bank account(s) and the partner draw accounts, all of which are balance sheet accounts. If this is impacting your P&L, something is not being recorded properly.
Somehow I want to move that $6,000 to each of the owners investment account before we distribute
creating a credit balance (increase) in that account.
Again, you can't move the $6,000 to each partner's equity account prior to the draw if the distribution is taking place prior to the end of the fiscal year. This is basic double-entry accounting. If you credit (increase) their equity account, you would need to debit something else which in this case (because it would be happening during the fiscal year) would be net income. Since you can't do that, you will have a negative equity entry until fiscal year-end, at which point you can move it with a journal entry. Keep in mind that, at any point during the fiscal year, your balance sheet will have both partner equity and net income in the equity section and, if you're drawing 100% of the net income, the two will net to zero.
So now when I write a check against draw, it doesn't doe the following:
Check to partner A = $2,000 = partner A draw account goes negative $2,000 (should be $0)
Check to partner B = $2,000 = partner B draw account goes negative $2,000 (should be $0)
Check to partner C = $2,000 = partner C draw account goes negative $2,000 (should be $0)
I pray this is more clear
Why do you say they should be $0? Draws should be negative because a draw is a debit entry that reduces equity. You will make adjusting entries at fiscal year-end to close (zero out) the draw accounts.
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