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Roger_Jeweler
Level 1

Unconventional PO versus Bill Payment Sequence

I am a custom jeweler who routinely orders many components from many suppliers and have used purchase orders for years to enter purchases and track inventory.  Often a vendor will ship a different quantity of an item due to shortages or packaging deltas and/or the per unit item cost will be different than what was ordered.   For that reason, I usually wait until I actually receive the items to enter the "receive items with bill" feature to enter the actual costs and quantities, even though I paid the vendor via credit card when I placed the order.  That works fine other than the transaction dates are not in the usual sequence.

 

Is there a better or recommended way to use PO's for inventory purposes, but enter a bill associated with the PO (with cost corrections) before actually receiving the items?  Sometimes an unusual item takes several weeks to receive after its ordered and paid for.  I know I could just manually enter a bill from the vendor when I know the costs, but duplicating a long list of items on a PO without receiving them is too laborious.

 

Thanks.  (BTW - I'm using QB Pro 2019)

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Best answer January 26, 2019

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qbteachmt
Level 15

Unconventional PO versus Bill Payment Sequence

A PO is an Order Tracking tool. It allows you to list goods and services and other charge items. It isn't Just inventory.

 

It can be fulfilled or not. That doesn't matter, because you Decide when you need it or are done with it, such as, they never can fulfill the order, or you issued the PO only for purposes of getting a Quote and won't buy from them.

 

Let's take your question in sections:

 

"Often a vendor will ship a different quantity of an item due to shortages or packaging deltas"

 

When you enter the Purchase transaction for that Vendor, QB points out you have an Open PO for that same name and Asks if you want to show these Relate. They don't have to relate. They can be different activities. You don't need a PO for QB; you would make it for Your own tracking needs.

 

"and/or the per unit item cost will be different than what was ordered."

 

You always confirm or update the Purchase transaction for what you got and how many and the Cost. You can also add anything else here, that isn't part of the PO, but is part of this Order you are paying for (write check or enter credit card charge) or a Bill to pay later. Because now, it's just a Purchase transaction for you to complete to match your reality.

 

"For that reason, I usually wait until I actually receive the items to enter the "receive items with bill" feature"

 

The "Receive items" provision is to allow you to show they are On Hand for a specific date for Inventory, even if you have no Bill to pay at this time. That's because Inventory that is Sold, has to exist on hand in Quantity available to make that sale, on or before the date of the sale. The Item Receipt is AP, but not yet a Bill = a preliminary Status. It is Changed to a Bill by using the checkmark, top right, or change a Bill to an Item Receipt by removing the checkmark, top right.

 

If you use "receive with bill" you can simply use Enter Bill. It's the Same thing.

 

"to enter the actual costs and quantities, even though I paid the vendor via credit card when I placed the order."

 

Here's what matters: Enter Credit Card Charge for listing Inventory results in the Inventory being On hand as of that date. If you Prepay, that isn't the Items. That is an Other Current Asset account entry on the Expenses tab = Vendor Prepayment. This is Not selecting from the PO, because it is Not paying  for the products; it is Prepayment.

 

Then Later, the products arrive, so this is Enter Bill, and you can select it Applies to the PO and is fulfillment. This is the Gross you owe. Now click on the Expenses tab and put the Other Current Asset here for the Negative, for the amount you Prepaid. Hit Recalc. This is Prepayment Applied, leaving a Net Due, as part of Bills.

 

It can end at $0, of course, if the entire order was prepaid for the exact amount.

 

"That works fine other than the transaction dates are not in the usual sequence."

 

Sequence is Yours to control = use the tools that matter. Match your reality.

 

"Is there a better or recommended way to use PO's for inventory purposes"

 

Your Order Tracking tool. If I you call me and we agree you should prepay for my services, you use Enter Credit Card Charge and list Professional Services on the Expenses tab. There is no PO for tracking; you already Paid me and that is what you pay me for. But, if we discuss a possibility of up to 6 hours, and you Prepay me for 2, that is either Prepayment or Professional Services per your accounting requirement, and you could use a PO to track we discussed 6, and you paid 2, already = Order Tracking shows 4 hours yet to be fulfilled and paid.

 

"but enter a bill associated with the PO (with cost corrections)"

 

You are not making Cost Corrections. A PO is Non-Posting = Tracking. Cost is from Actual Purchases.

 

"before actually receiving the items?"

 

Example: I call you and you quote me $100 for something I will come get. I decide to track this as PO. Then, I come over and give you the credit card. I get back to the office and use Enter Credit Card Charge for what I just paid for. I select that Yes, this is fulfillment of what I put on a PO.

 

There is no Receive needed. There is no Bill to pay later. There is No AP at all. I already paid you.

 

"Sometimes an unusual item takes several weeks to receive after its ordered"

 

You would use PO.

 

"and paid for."

 

Other Current Asset.

 

"I know I could just manually enter a bill from the vendor when I know the costs,"

 

Only if you Also Have the Inventory as of that date. This is the critical difference between listing Inventory vs Services/Noninventory and Other Charges on the Bill. A Bill is a Posting Purchase. So is Item Receipt; it just doesn't show in the Pay Bills Function, because technically, its status is, "I'm not yet a Bill, so ignore me" but it affects AP. A Check and a credit card charge both as Purchases, as well, so listing  inventory here = I have it On Hand as of this date.

 

"but duplicating a long list of items on a PO without receiving them is too laborious."

 

You don't need Receive, unless you need Item Receipt as preliminary status to being a Bill. And you never Change the date on the item receipt when you mark that it now is a bill.

 

You list what you got when you buy it and Have it, for inventory; you can use a PO to track it first, or not. A Prepayment is Never inventory.

 

Please see my attachment.

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qbteachmt
Level 15

Unconventional PO versus Bill Payment Sequence

A PO is an Order Tracking tool. It allows you to list goods and services and other charge items. It isn't Just inventory.

 

It can be fulfilled or not. That doesn't matter, because you Decide when you need it or are done with it, such as, they never can fulfill the order, or you issued the PO only for purposes of getting a Quote and won't buy from them.

 

Let's take your question in sections:

 

"Often a vendor will ship a different quantity of an item due to shortages or packaging deltas"

 

When you enter the Purchase transaction for that Vendor, QB points out you have an Open PO for that same name and Asks if you want to show these Relate. They don't have to relate. They can be different activities. You don't need a PO for QB; you would make it for Your own tracking needs.

 

"and/or the per unit item cost will be different than what was ordered."

 

You always confirm or update the Purchase transaction for what you got and how many and the Cost. You can also add anything else here, that isn't part of the PO, but is part of this Order you are paying for (write check or enter credit card charge) or a Bill to pay later. Because now, it's just a Purchase transaction for you to complete to match your reality.

 

"For that reason, I usually wait until I actually receive the items to enter the "receive items with bill" feature"

 

The "Receive items" provision is to allow you to show they are On Hand for a specific date for Inventory, even if you have no Bill to pay at this time. That's because Inventory that is Sold, has to exist on hand in Quantity available to make that sale, on or before the date of the sale. The Item Receipt is AP, but not yet a Bill = a preliminary Status. It is Changed to a Bill by using the checkmark, top right, or change a Bill to an Item Receipt by removing the checkmark, top right.

 

If you use "receive with bill" you can simply use Enter Bill. It's the Same thing.

 

"to enter the actual costs and quantities, even though I paid the vendor via credit card when I placed the order."

 

Here's what matters: Enter Credit Card Charge for listing Inventory results in the Inventory being On hand as of that date. If you Prepay, that isn't the Items. That is an Other Current Asset account entry on the Expenses tab = Vendor Prepayment. This is Not selecting from the PO, because it is Not paying  for the products; it is Prepayment.

 

Then Later, the products arrive, so this is Enter Bill, and you can select it Applies to the PO and is fulfillment. This is the Gross you owe. Now click on the Expenses tab and put the Other Current Asset here for the Negative, for the amount you Prepaid. Hit Recalc. This is Prepayment Applied, leaving a Net Due, as part of Bills.

 

It can end at $0, of course, if the entire order was prepaid for the exact amount.

 

"That works fine other than the transaction dates are not in the usual sequence."

 

Sequence is Yours to control = use the tools that matter. Match your reality.

 

"Is there a better or recommended way to use PO's for inventory purposes"

 

Your Order Tracking tool. If I you call me and we agree you should prepay for my services, you use Enter Credit Card Charge and list Professional Services on the Expenses tab. There is no PO for tracking; you already Paid me and that is what you pay me for. But, if we discuss a possibility of up to 6 hours, and you Prepay me for 2, that is either Prepayment or Professional Services per your accounting requirement, and you could use a PO to track we discussed 6, and you paid 2, already = Order Tracking shows 4 hours yet to be fulfilled and paid.

 

"but enter a bill associated with the PO (with cost corrections)"

 

You are not making Cost Corrections. A PO is Non-Posting = Tracking. Cost is from Actual Purchases.

 

"before actually receiving the items?"

 

Example: I call you and you quote me $100 for something I will come get. I decide to track this as PO. Then, I come over and give you the credit card. I get back to the office and use Enter Credit Card Charge for what I just paid for. I select that Yes, this is fulfillment of what I put on a PO.

 

There is no Receive needed. There is no Bill to pay later. There is No AP at all. I already paid you.

 

"Sometimes an unusual item takes several weeks to receive after its ordered"

 

You would use PO.

 

"and paid for."

 

Other Current Asset.

 

"I know I could just manually enter a bill from the vendor when I know the costs,"

 

Only if you Also Have the Inventory as of that date. This is the critical difference between listing Inventory vs Services/Noninventory and Other Charges on the Bill. A Bill is a Posting Purchase. So is Item Receipt; it just doesn't show in the Pay Bills Function, because technically, its status is, "I'm not yet a Bill, so ignore me" but it affects AP. A Check and a credit card charge both as Purchases, as well, so listing  inventory here = I have it On Hand as of this date.

 

"but duplicating a long list of items on a PO without receiving them is too laborious."

 

You don't need Receive, unless you need Item Receipt as preliminary status to being a Bill. And you never Change the date on the item receipt when you mark that it now is a bill.

 

You list what you got when you buy it and Have it, for inventory; you can use a PO to track it first, or not. A Prepayment is Never inventory.

 

Please see my attachment.

Roger_Jeweler
Level 1

Unconventional PO versus Bill Payment Sequence

Thank you very much for the in depth analysis of options related to my question.  The use of a temporary pre-payment to the vendor using an "other asset" account to enter a total amount works fine for getting the date sequence to mirror reality.

 

However it still does not accomplish what I really want to do.  I want to pay for the specific items on the order, like the "receive bill" (or other payment methods) allows by copying all the individual open items from the PO. Than in turn then allows me to edit and enter actual item cost/qty adjustments from the vendor invoice.

 

Unfortunately, that also automatically adds the items into my inventory at that time, but I have not actually receiving them.  I have found no way for QB to create item payments without creating an item receipt as well.  The opposite sequence is allowed, i.e. receiving the inventory item "before" paying for it (=> AP transaction).

 

Seems like there should be a temporary account or something to hold pre-paid items, until they are actually received to accurately reflect and track the order shipment.

 

Thanks again!

Roger

qbteachmt
Level 15

Unconventional PO versus Bill Payment Sequence

"However it still does not accomplish what I really want to do.  I want to pay for the specific items on the order, like the "receive bill" (or other payment methods) allows by copying all the individual open items from the PO. Than in turn then allows me to edit and enter actual item cost/qty adjustments from the vendor invoice."

 

You do that Later. First, you Prepaid. You enter the Write Check or Enter Credit Card Charge, you get the pop up asking if this is Fulfillment for what is on a PO for that same vendor name, and it is Not. It is the Prepayment, as Other Current Asset. Not any products or services. You are throwing money at them, because they require it.

 

Later, you are ready to show the order is being Fulfilled = that is the point and date for the Enter Bill or the Write Check or the Enter Credit Card Charge. This is when you will see the pop up and yous elect that Yes, this is fulfillment of a PO and I want them to be linked and track against each other.

 

"Unfortunately, that also automatically adds the items into my inventory at that time"

 

Which is why you are Doing it out of Order. Stop doing that until you actually Have the products to process that they are On Hand. Do not make the Purchase entry for that PO (the check or bill or credit card charge or even an Item Receipt) if you don't have the Stuff.

 

"but I have not actually receiving them.  I have found no way for QB to create item payments without creating an item receipt as well."

 

I have completely covered this. Go ahead and open one of the sample files you have and use it to learn from. Try all the permutations of the Two Steps:

 

Prepay.

Later, process the Fulfillment purchase.

 

"The opposite sequence is allowed, i.e. receiving the inventory item "before" paying for it (=> AP transaction)."

 

That's not your issue. You issue is Doing the entry that includes the Products, when you are Prepaying. What you want to have happen will work Later, when you use it Later. And you don't need Item Receipt, as I pointed out. Here is when a party uses item receipt:

 

My Warehouses are in three locations other than my Admin offices. The Warehouses take deliveries and use Item Receipt.

 

Later, the Admin office picks up mail, email, and faxes. Eventually, the Actual Bill or the Charge Card slips for what arrived, shows up for Admin to process. They confirm the Item has been received; otherwise, we don't pay, yet. And for the date of Arrival, the Warehouse needs to show what is now on hand and Sales wants to Sell it, even if there is no Bill for it, yet.

 

"Seems like there should be a temporary account or something to hold pre-paid items, until they are actually received to accurately reflect and track the order shipment."

 

You don't have Prepaid Items. You have Prepaid Amounts.

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