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Susan607
Level 5

Sloshing of monies by one client between companies

Hello Community,,

This is more how to go about a data entry for monies being erratically spent and deposited.

 I have a client who has two LLCs of which he is the sole member. I'm having the darndest time getting him to keep these monies separate between himself, personal banking, and between his two companies.  I know how to go about having  it set up. It's just getting him to abide by it.  These transactions are from the previous year.
 
I'm having trouble figuring out how to account for the sloshing of funds from one banking/credit card account to another among the three entities.  I'll give you examples.  If you can tell me how to record the entries for these I would be most appreciative. 
 
Deposit to the personal account for work done for a company.
Deposit to a company account from personal or a business's account to cover the other company's expenses.
Credit card expenses on business card that belong to other business or that are personal
Credit card expenses on a personal card for a business.
Rental deposit to wrong checking or wrong business account that belongs against a rent invoice for a tenant
 
I've got two QB Desktop companies with his personal checking in one of them along with two other business checking accounts. That business is a real estate LLC with one rental property in the LLC and two rental properties that are not in the LLC.
The other LLC is a construction company.
Thank you all for any help with these recording of transactions.
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FishingForAnswers
Level 10

Sloshing of monies by one client between companies

@Susan607  Let's start with addressing the management elephant in the room.

 

An LLC is a Limited Liability Company. In short, if someone has a legal grievance with the LLC, they can only go after what the LLC owns, not what the members of the LLC own.

 

Hence, Limited Liability.

 

The client needs to understand that this Limited Liability is not unconditional. If they keep treating the LLCs as their personal piggy bank, the Limited Liability is as useful as a soggy piece of tissue paper. There has to be a clear and distinct separation of the LLC's assets and the client's assets.

 

Tell the client that.

 

Now, to the actual accounting questions, I'll answer in broad strokes since your cat, er, client seems to be very rambunctious.

 

While the exact terms used vary based on the company type and structure involved, there are some general rules you can follow when the client starts getting loose with their business practices.

 

First, if the owner takes money out of the business without any intention of paying it back, it is a draw against Equity. This case is most easily applied to the owner buying personal items using the company bank account, or the owner charging personal items to the company credit card.

 

Likewise, if the owner puts business expenses on their personal credit card, it is functionally no different than a owner contribution to equity, just with fewer steps. There is no real difference between an owner taking on personal liability for a company (using their personal credit card to buy things for the company) and the owner putting their own money into the business bank account. Same deal for buying things for the company out of their personal bank account.

 

Second, if the owner takes money out of the business with the intention of paying it back, it is a Current Asset to the company, perhaps called 'Loan to Owner'.

 

Likewise, if the owner puts money into the business with the intention of taking it back, it is a Liability to the company, perhaps called 'Loan from Owner'.

 

These two concepts can be applied, individually and together, to answer most any shenanigans a client may get up to between their various businesses.

 

For instance, if Company B pays for something for Company A with no intention of being paid back, Company A would recognize it as a Equity Contribution set against an appropriate expense or asset account. Company B would recognize it as an Equity Distribution set against the relevant bank account, credit card, or even petty cash.

 

That is, it would be no different than the owner taking money out of B (Distribution) and putting it into A (Contribution).

 

In QB, this could be recognized most easily in a Check. For Company A, you would have a line recognizing the expense or asset with the relevant positive amount and a line recognizing the contribution with an opposing negative amount. This enters both the expense/asset and contribution amounts while having no impact on the checking account listed on the Check, while also making it easier for QB to pull the data to a report than using a GJE would.

 

All that being said, you should knuckle down on getting your client to knock that garbage off. Trust me when I say they will only get worse; I have a client of my own who loves shuffling money between nine different companies and around 20 bank accounts, and it is rather a nightmare to keep track of.

 

Also, you should not be including his personal checking account in any business books. It makes a mire of things, and you could do just as well using an Equity Contribution account.

Susan607
Level 5

Sloshing of monies by one client between companies

Hello FishingFor Answers,

Thanks for a terrific and timely response.  There are no shenanigans going on.  This is a completely honest owner trying their best to make a living but doesn't realize the back end of running a business.  There is not intent to deceive or cover things up.  He has the bounce check charges to prove it.  He quickly looks at an account after seeing this and scrambles to cover monies spent with funds from other accounts. Or has on one hand forgotten to bring the correct credit card with him when making purchases etc.

 

I've been doing the owner draw/owner contributions to take account of all of this so that was reassuring.although looks really weird on the balance sheet.  I do like the accounts of Loan to Owner and Loan from Owner.  This will let him see how much is moving around and give me some leeway to getting this straightened out by him seeing what I'm talking about.  I've only worked on his books at tax time to prepare them for filing. I plan to ask him to let me see what's happening at other times to have oversight on what he's doing and whether he is implementing the plan to get this straightened out. It's wasteful time consuming to say the least and I'm not a person that enjoys straightening out the same errors repeatedly.

 

Thank you again so much for your informative response.  It is most appreciated certainly at this time in the tax season. My best to you.

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