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Thanks Janbon,  when I create a new template and look at the pdf example it looks fine, the rates and qty's are hidden. Then when I go to my estimate and select the new template and then select print and download it looks great.

 

Now if I select pdf view or email view I get the message "PDF view is unavailable with this template" and it also says " You're using an old template. To preview the PDF your customer sees, click Print and download.

Or go to design > templates to change the template."  
 
Then I select print and download and the template looks right but it is not the template my customer sees. So it seems that my template isn't actually updating.
 
Something seems to be changing between what I see and what my customer actually receives.
 
Do you have any other ideas of what it might be?  Thanks

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