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I agree. Why does QB need to force it's users to do stupid things? Of course, there's probably nobody home at Quickbooks to ask that question. I like QB but this has gone too far. Who has time to fool around with questions and answers?
Thank you for posting this comment. If there was a better option besides Quickbooks, I would gladly use it!
@sah1680 To answer your question about Peachtree accounting software, it is still around, sort of. Sage Software bought them out and the product is now sold as Sage 50 Cloud. You might wonder at the Cloud part of the name as Peachtree Accounting was always a desktop program. Sage 50 is still a desktop app AND you can buy a cloud add-in if you want it to use the cloud, but that is optional. Sage also bought out maybe a half dozen other Windows desktop accounting software products like Acc Pac, MAS-90, etc. and renamed them. Sage also has sold at least one of the products they bought. Sage sold its fund accounting product that it had bought from MIP earlier. The product for non-profits is again being called MIP Fund Accounting and has both a cloud and a desktop or on-premise version. Speaking of non-profits, did you know that the TechSoup website sells Quickbooks at heavily discounted prices to qualifying non-profits - as low as $50? TechSoup also sells AccountEdge accounting software for an equally heavily discounted price to non-profits.
My impression of QuickBooks is very bad. I DO NOT want to connect a company with my intuit account. STOP IT! I also am looking at alternatives. It was a very good run, but it looks like its time for QuickBooks to go the way of Lotus and AccPac.
ITGuy1. this is very good information that could be helpful to many. I knew about Peachtree and they were one of the vendors I considered years ago along with Intuit QB. Hadn't seen the name for years and assumed that had disappeared. I just took a 2 minute look and will go back for more detail. It appears tha they want to sell the desktop product on a subscription basis. Not surprising as so many software companies, including Microsoft, have discovered that you can only add so many "features" to general accounting or office products before there's not much more to sell. Once many users reach a certain point there is no further reason to "upgrade" and that means no more revenue stream for the creator. That's where both MS and Intuit are today. The first solution was to sell subscriptions to a product, but what that really meant in effect was that while the purchased desktop product remained useful for years, support was what you got with the subscription, in addition to maybe small patches to the product. When that didn't adequately support the creator's revenue stream they all began switching to cloud based products which then tied the buyer to the specific creator and ensured continued revenue. That's MS and QB today. The problem most users are complaining about in this thread is that, unlike MS, QB is trying to force users into their cloud based world without consent. At least, that's my view.
I'm quite satisfied with MS Office 2013 and have no need for MS support. I was also satisfied with QB 2019 and only upgraded every couple of years in order to keep up with the versions our tax accountant was using for tax preparation, up until this latest trick by Intuit aimed at forcing users to log onto an Intuit account in order to continue using the product. This amounts to little more than cyberbullying.
My advice to other QB desktop users facing this issue is twofold: 1.) Look for alternatives, and the Sage desktop product could be one. Share your findings. 2.) Start poking around for help from regulatory sources like the FTC (Federal Trade Commission), or places like Consumer Reports. Share your findings. File complaints.
Replying to myself is an interesting concept.
I just wanted to let you all know that I walk the walk not just talk the talk. I'm filing a 2 page complaint with the Federal Trade Commission regarding this lovely Quickbooks logon requirement for desktop users. But don't expect to hear about quick results. These things take time. The FTC will undoubtedly ask me for more information. That happens no matter how much information you give them in the complaint. Then they give Intuit a chance to reply. Funny thing is, it is likely to take Intuit many times longer to deal with the FTC than to just make it go away by zapping their unwanted change. But, that how these things usually go.
Here I am again replying to my reply. LOL!
Questions already! So, I have already heard from someone about this posting.
1. No, I did not file my complaint online at FTB.GOV/complaint because the online site limits the description of your complaint to 3500 characters. In truth mine ended up as 4 pages rather than the 2 I started with. I filed by letter to the Federal Trade Commission, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20580. You can do the same, I guess. An alternative might be to use the online form and reference my letter of June 25, 2021 regarding Intuit.
2. It's never clear whether a complaint such as this will produce the requested result. In many cases it depends on whether the government office is hearing from one or many so the more that join in this effort the better. It can also depend on whether the complaint touches on possible violation of law or policy. I believe that potential exists in what Intuit has done in this case for several reasons not the least of which is that what they did reaches into personal privacy areas as well as the fiduciary relationship between customers.
3. As others have pointed out Intuit has no incentive to respond favorably to a few customer complaints so they will continue to blow this off with platitudes. In my experience the only thing that gets results is upping the pressure and cost. No one of use is likely big enough to take on Intuit and they know it. But, the FTC is the 800 pound gorilla with the ability to eat Intuit for breakfast and still have an appetite for lunch.
And then there's this new propaganda post from Intuit.
Once again, they say it's for your security, but then don't explain how or why logging in helps security in any way. Saying it is so does not make it so, Intuit.
I read the very long post from the Intuit Admin to which Big Red referred today (6/28/2021). I agree completely with BigRed that Intuit's constant declarations that they're protecting our data by transmitting it to themselves over the Internet does NOT make it so. It doesn't even make sense to say that. I would add that after struggling with this issue several months ago, and learning to write rules for Microsoft Defender through this site in order to block Intuit, I have spoken with at least two other other accountants who will not be purchasing Quickbooks based on my advice to steer clear. It's incredible that Intuit refuses to acknowledge that they made a real mess for consultants who have their own Intuit user IDs-passwords, but now often also need their clients' formerly private Intuit IDs-Passwords to open each company file with its own separate ID-password for desktop databases. They also made a mess for users with poor or intermittent Internet service - a good reason to have stayed on a desktop accounting software. There are now a LOT of ways we can't access our own data. I will continue to recommend against new QB purchases.
K_Siman, I appreciate that you have drawn a distinction between logging into an Intuit Account and logging into the Company account. I will acknowledge that for the users who are running Quickbooks Desktop and also subscribing functionality through Intuit for things like payroll, or direct deposit (ACH) there may very well be a need for that user to log into Intuit via the Quickbooks software. However, there seem to be many users, and count me as one, who do not use any services or functionality outside of what is provided directly in the Quickbooks Desktop software. And, since I do not use any functionality that you provide via online connection, there is no reason, no need, for me to log into an Intuit account in order to sign into a company account. And, just so I’m clear beyond a doubt, I do not want to log into an Intuit account from Quickbooks Desktop.
You, and others at Quickbooks, have made two general claims about why you inserted the recent change requiring Desktop users to log into an Intuit account to continue using the product. The first of these was that it was done to “improve the user experience.” I’ll leave it to others as to whether it improves their experience, but it does not improve my user experience one iota. On the contrary having to deal with an additional process that provides no value to me is annoying and lessens my user experience.
The second claim is that it somehow gives the user better security. Again, I’m not going to comment on the security aspects of those who also use your online functionality because I don’t use any of those. But, logging into an Intuit account via Quickbooks Desktop does not provide any better security to me whatsoever. In fact just the opposite. Anytime a user opens a port to the Internet they have created an opening through which a bad actor can enter. Users who need or want a particular online functionality have no choice if they want the service. I don’t want your other services and will not open a port to allow you or anyone else to enter. I will remind you that players larger and more sophisticated then Intuit have been hammered this way. Just ask Microsoft about the Hafnium exploit that took down Exchange servers worldwide recently.
Microsoft makes no claim that users of Office Write or Excell need to log onto a Microsoft account to improve their user experience or to get better security. The same is true of users of Adobe Acrobat, and Corel Photoshop to name just a few. Intuit is on the very wrong end of this issue. Good thing since I’ve prepared documents to go before a court that could send people to prison for a very long time. Microsoft never needed to worry about being hauled into court to explain their software. Maybe Quickbooks should be giving that some thought. I will tell you flat out, were I logged into an Intuit account when my system was hacked Intuit would be the first name on my list of summons.
L_Siman if you have a very specific argument as to why my security is better logged into an Intuit account than not logged onto the Internet at all, I’m all ears. Maybe I’ve missed something in my more than 50 years in the technology world.
RE: I will acknowledge that for the users who are running Quickbooks Desktop and also subscribing functionality through Intuit for things like payroll, or direct deposit (ACH) there may very well be a need for that user to log into Intuit via the Quickbooks software.
Yes, when they're going online from QB to, say, manage their account. But not until then.
Except that Intuit just made it a rule out of thing air, there's really no reason under the sun to log a company file into an intuit account. There's no need for it, any more than there was last year when everything worked just fine without it.
Even the idea that all of the disparate services from Intuit that you may have purchased are associated with the same intuit account seems suspect. There's Merchant Account, Payroll, online Banking, and others. Seems each could be associated with a different Intuit account. I wonder how that's going to work with this change? I'd bet not well.
RE: It's incredible that Intuit refuses to acknowledge that they made a real mess for consultants who have their own Intuit user IDs-passwords, but now often also need their clients' formerly private Intuit IDs-Passwords to open each company file with its own separate ID-password for desktop databases.
Are you saying that if you open a client's file, even using the QB Accountant version, you might be expected to log in using the client's Intuit account? If so, yea, that's a real mess.
I've been getting regularly prompted to log into client files when I open them, but so far I've just closed the popup prompt and been able to open the files. I wonder if that will always be the case.
really bad programing
Spoiler alert: It won't. Now, they are requiring you to 'verify' payroll information for the direct deposit feature and it must be completed by July 31st. Oh guess what, to 'verify' you have to sign on the file to an Intuit account.
Intuit has completely ignored the issue of Bookkeepers/Accountants and client files with this requirement. What is going to happen when I want to pass along a client QB file to a new bookkeeper? Will this file forever be linked to my Intuit account? Right now this is my data file, but I will pass it on to someone else at some point, I don't think there is a way to 'unhook' it first, so I will have to rely on the new bookkeeper to sign in with their account once they receive the file.
The whole thing is just a s***show
So long as you are using any online feature provided by Quickbooks Desktop they have you over a barrel. But, the services provided through Intuit online like payroll or direct deposit (ACH) are neither necessary to use Quickbooks Desktop, nor are they, in my opinion, the best available. ADP.com provides better payroll services and Bill.com provides better direct deposit. It's pretty easy to integrate either into QB Desktop. My recommendation is to cut the cord tying you to Intuit online services by replacing them with services from other vendors less inclined to be bullies.
Hi TracyAFY,
Thanks for joining the thread. I'm happy to shed light on the account verification for payroll especially for your scenario.
If you're currently the Primary or Company Admin, you can transfer this role to your client or to the new bookkeeper. Here is a KB article on how to manage user roles. Then, remove their EIN under your subscription. Your client will be unhooked from your account after removing their EIN.
Here's an article for your additional reference: Understand why you need to update your account info for payroll.
Let me know if you have other questions about payroll. Take care and have a good day!
This is the point that Intuit is missing. With all these popups QB is not longer a productivity tool, but a time suck. Especially when you keep answering don't display this message again and they display some other add on they want you to purchase. Probably waste 2 minutes for every time I open a file. So I agree, where do I send the bill for my time?
Hi there, hvmgr.
Welcome to QuickBooks Community. This isn't the kind of impression that I'd like you to have. I know how precious time is for you, and I recognize the importance of having the option to remove the product's display message.
We are unable to provide a specific time frame as to when the said option about removing the appear message will be available in the future. With this, I encourage you to submit feedback. These requests and suggestions are forwarded to the Product Development Team for consideration in future updates. To start with, you'll have to go to the Help icon and choose Send Feedback Online.
I also suggest visiting our QuickBooks Firm of the Future blog to know about the latest news and updates from QuickBooks Desktop.
Lastly, I've got you these helpful articles for ideas about managing your account and transactions: Help Articles for QuickBooks.
I'll be around to help if you have any other questions about this concern or managing your QuickBooks Desktop. Just let me know by leaving a comment below. Have a nice day ahead.
I agree that this is not likely to end well for those who open their company files to Intuit, which is exactly what they are doing by logging into an Intuit account while opening a company account. And the folks who currently use Quickbooks to provide their payroll or ACH functions would do well to drop Intuit and get those services from other vendors.
I have several company files. One of those needs payroll services and we contract to ADP for payroll. Not need to be logged into either Intuit or ADP for the payroll to work just fine. Several of our other companies use ACH (direct deposit) services. We do that through our bank. Again, no need to be logged into Intuit or the bank for that to work just fine.
You have no need to be logged into anything else to use Quickbooks Desktop to do basic accounting, or even more the complex accounting for governments or non-profits. It's all in the chart of accounts.
Don't waste your time reading all of these messages. The customers are all saying we want to get rid of this requirement and QB responds to us with platitudes that don't address the issue. Clearly they have no intention at this time to allow us to remove the option. I suggest we all, repeatedly go to the help feature and submit multiple instances of the "send feedback" and FLOOD them with complaints. It's obvious to me that the QB team on this forum have no power to make any changes and there currently is no permanent solution to the problem. Let them know it needs to go and maybe we can force an update to remove this rediculous feature.
Well, here I am replying to myself once more.
As mentioned above, I filed a complaint with the Federal trade Commission regarding Intuit altering users' purchased Quickbooks Desktop software to require the user to log into an Intuit account online in order to continue using the desktop software. The FTC has responded with a report number for that complaint. It is: [removed].
Anyone wishing to voice support for the complaint, or to object, can contact the FTC at www.ftc.gov, or by any means of your choice by referencing the report number above. Your support will help many times over just protesting to the Quickbooks team here. As we have all seen QB will just blow off your comments.
I filed a complaint with the Federal trade Commission regarding Intuit altering users' purchased Quickbooks Desktop software to require the user to log into an Intuit account online in order to continue using the desktop software. The FTC has responded with a report number for that complaint. It is: [removed].
Anyone wishing to voice support for the complaint, or to object, can contact the FTC at www.ftc.gov, or by any means of your choice by referencing the report number above. Your support will help many times over just protesting to the Quickbooks team here. As we have all seen QB will just blow off your comments.
The FTC is the 800 pound gorilla on things like this. They have the power to eat Intuit for breakfast and still have an appetite for lunch. With a bit of support Intuit will be forced to respond to the FTC and I can pretty much guarantee that will get their attention far more that posts here of some campaign to flood their help desk.
Give it a try. It only takes a few minutes to support the claim online.
Maybe it was by
@LLuck wrote:I filed a complaint with the Federal trade Commission regarding Intuit altering users' purchased Quickbooks Desktop software to require the user to log into an Intuit account online in order to continue using the desktop software. The FTC has responded with a report number for that complaint. It is: [removed].
Anyone wishing to voice support for the complaint, or to object, can contact the FTC at www.ftc.gov, or by any means of your choice by referencing the report number above. Your support will help many times over just protesting to the Quickbooks team here. As we have all seen QB will just blow off your comments.
The FTC is the 800 pound gorilla on things like this. They have the power to eat Intuit for breakfast and still have an appetite for lunch. With a bit of support Intuit will be forced to respond to the FTC and I can pretty much guarantee that will get their attention far more that posts here of some campaign to flood their help desk.
Give it a try. It only takes a few minutes to support the claim online.
a bot... but the file report number was removed :-(
/Mike
Add a NEW layer of nightmare! My client has direct deposit. They HAD to login as the CONTACT person ONLY, NOT the admin, to update information (NOTHING NEEDED CHANGING) or their direct deposit would be suspended! The contact person was a secretary who is deceased because she retired not long after we set them up on QuickBooks back in late 1999!!! I had to call support - which, even for proadvisors, you have to login online to even GET a phone number! We only circumvented the issue, the tech couldn't even FIX IT. To change the CONTACT person, I have to send in a copy of the ID's of both the old and the NEW. HOW do I get a copy of a deceased person's driver's license?????? I was NOT happy. And while the gentleman on the phone was merely the messenger, I asked him to inform someone or the quality control operator if we were being recorded that THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE! The cost for payroll is MORE than the program! I pay a fortune to Intuit every year for my proadvisor membership and it keeps going up but the benefits go down. I'm ACTIVELY looking for new software but not that awful Sage/Peachtree crap.
Seems someone at QB is paying attention, but not to resolve the issue, just to remove the report number:
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