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Literally, does anyone else deal with payments put on hold to ask questions about your clients and customers? Then to be asked the same crud again after you already answered the same questions?
Like Good lord, is this CONSTANT?
If I have to do this with EVERY customer I swear I'm just throwing quick books into the garbage heap. No e-mails, no notifications they need anything for the second hold they did on the same funds. Holy moly imagine if your business actually relied on the money coming in to even support itself, or as a Tech Company start up paying the cloud service fees that are due first of the freaking month with the money your clients paying FOR THEIR OWN SERVICES.
I see the need for you to receive payments promptly, and I'd like to route you to the best support available to trace this hold, GarrettL.
There are several reasons why payments are put on hold. This includes the following:
We usually complete the review of payment within 2 business days. And takes 1 to 2 business days to settle the funds in your account. This means it takes 3 to 4 business days to get your money. If you're beyond this time frame and still don't have your funds, this hold occurs for several reasons. With that, I recommend reaching out to our support team so they can double-check everything in your account and be able to track how the hold started. Follow the steps outlined below:
You might want to check out these articles to learn why your payments are on hold:
I'm still all ears if you need further assistance with your payment on-hold issues. The Community is always here to help you. Have a nice day!
Ma’am, this does not protect me or my client.
In fact, your company is going to cost my business financial damages, just as it’s going to cost my client financial damages, who do you think is going to eat those extra expenses?
who do you think is going to pay vendors the extra fees for late payments? Who’s going to pay the fines for being late paying quarterly?
I don’t think you understand the damages you’re causing
Ma’am, who is going to pay the financial damages this is causing my client, and my business for late payments to vendors being used?
Who is going to pay the fines for late payments to regulatory bodies? You’re not protecting me or my business, and frankly it’s not your responsibility to determine who I’m doing business with or even why with how invasive your process is.
You’re not protecting anyone, and in fact you’re causing me and my client both damages. Just like my other clients o have contracts pending with, but with how invasive your company is over the junk change of $5,000 (first installment) I’m terrified of what I’m going to deal with when the 6 to 8 million contracts come in.
This is what I’m struggling to understand in relation to QuickBooks' actions, as outlined in this link: [QuickBooks Information Request](https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/payments/re-request-for-information-regarding-data...).
QuickBooks claims that their actions are in compliance with various legal requirements, but what they are actually doing amounts to conducting investigations without warrants on individuals and businesses, even though no formal charges have been brought against them. This means they are holding funds from small businesses without any legitimate legal justification tied to the transactions themselves.
There is no evidence of wrongdoing, no indication of funding terrorism, or any involvement in terrorist activities. Yet, QuickBooks is grossly breaching consumer protection laws, violating the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 1681 et seq.), and abusing the rights of consumers and businesses. Additionally, their actions may violate laws governing search warrants, which require that searches and investigations involving personal information be conducted under legal authority and with due process.
Specifically, the actions taken by QuickBooks may violate the following laws:
- Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 41-58): Prohibits unfair or deceptive acts or practices in commerce. Holding funds without legal cause or misrepresenting the reason for such actions may constitute a violation of this act.
- Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 1681 et seq.): Regulates the collection, dissemination, and use of consumer information, including background checks. QuickBooks’ unauthorized background checks and the subsequent withholding of funds may violate this federal law.
- Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 6801-6809): Requires financial institutions to protect the confidentiality and security of consumer information. The overreach in data collection and lack of transparency regarding the use of this information may constitute a breach of this law.
- Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Protects individuals from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. While QuickBooks is not a government entity, its actions—conducting what amounts to unwarranted investigations without the legal authority to do so—raise significant concerns. Holding funds and demanding personal information under the guise of compliance, without any formal charge or evidence, mirrors actions that would typically require a search warrant if conducted by a governmental body. This behavior is in direct conflict with the legal protections that prevent unwarranted intrusions into personal and business affairs.
- Washington Consumer Protection Act (RCW 19.86): Prohibits unfair or deceptive acts in commerce. QuickBooks’ actions, including misleading statements about the purpose of information requests and holding funds without clear cause, may violate this state law.
- New Mexico Unfair Practices Act (NMSA 1978, Section 57-12-1): Prohibits deceptive trade practices. Holding funds without legitimate cause and conducting unauthorized investigations on individuals may constitute a violation of this act.
- Colorado Consumer Protection Act (C.R.S. § 6-1-105): Prohibits deceptive trade practices. The unjustified withholding of funds and the unauthorized collection of personal information may violate this law.
- Florida Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act (FDUTPA, Chapter 501, Part II, Florida Statutes): Prohibits unfair and deceptive practices in trade or commerce. QuickBooks’ actions, including the withholding of funds without valid legal reasoning, may violate this state law.
QuickBooks needs to explain how its actions comply with these federal and state laws. The lack of transparency and the apparent overreach in their practices are deeply concerning and appear to be in direct conflict with the protections afforded under these laws. Their conduct, which effectively mimics a search and investigation without proper legal authority, contradicts the principles that typically require a warrant for such actions. Please help me make sense of this situation, as the current justification provided by QuickBooks does not align with the legal standards that should govern such transactions.
As stated:
My small business has to deal with federal agencies, some of which are active law enforcement, and in progress with gaining contracts with homeland security agencies.
Thank you for your response and for sharing QuickBooks’ perspective on the matter. However, there are several critical issues and legal concerns that your explanation does not adequately address. Below is a detailed response to each of the points raised:
Regarding your statement that the payment is on hold for further review, it remains unclear why such extensive information is being collected, especially when it appears to have no direct relevance to the transaction in question. The explanation provided about ensuring accurate processing does not justify the extensive data collection, including personal and sensitive information, particularly when there is no clear, direct relationship between the information requested and the payment’s processing. Furthermore, the withholding of funds without transparent reasoning and the lack of clear, upfront communication may constitute deceptive business practices under various consumer protection laws, including the Washington Consumer Protection Act and the Federal Trade Commission Act.
While QuickBooks has disclosed that Intuit Payments manages the data, it fails to clarify the necessity and legal basis for requiring such extensive personal information from clients, particularly when there is no clear consent from the end users for such data processing. The statement that the data is managed by payment processing, compliance, and other teams does not sufficiently justify the breadth of information being requested, nor does it address the potential overreach in data collection practices. Moreover, the undisclosed background checks on clients without their explicit consent may violate the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) and other state-specific privacy laws, such as the Colorado Privacy Act.
The assertion that data collection is necessary for anti-money laundering, counter-terrorism financing, identity verification, and fraud prevention is understood within the context of compliance with the USA PATRIOT Act and the Bank Secrecy Act. However, there is no evidence that the data requested is proportionate to these stated purposes, particularly when it involves clients who have no known connection to such activities. Furthermore, the use of this data for broad purposes, including business process enhancement and tailoring user experiences, may exceed the reasonable expectations of privacy for users and could potentially violate privacy rights under the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and various state laws.
The collection of highly sensitive information, such as government-issued identification, tax filings, and personal or business records, raises significant privacy concerns, particularly when it is unclear how this information is specifically used to validate the transaction in question. Cross-referencing this information with third-party databases without explicit client consent further exacerbates these concerns and may violate the Fair Credit Reporting Act and other state-specific consumer protection laws, such as the New Mexico Unfair Practices Act.
The broad sharing of collected data with financial institutions, service providers, credit bureaus, and even within the Intuit group raises serious concerns about the potential misuse of personal data. Without explicit consent from the client, sharing data with third parties, especially for purposes beyond the scope of the original transaction, could violate both federal and state privacy laws, including the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and the Colorado Privacy Act. The lack of transparency in these practices may also constitute unfair or deceptive trade practices under the Federal Trade Commission Act and the Washington Consumer Protection Act.
While it is acknowledged that QuickBooks follows industry-standard security measures like PCI DSS and NACHA requirements, the concerns here go beyond the mere security of data. The key issues involve the legal justification for collecting and retaining such sensitive information in the first place. The retention of data for an unspecified period and its eventual destruction, while standard practice, does not address the core issue of whether the data collection itself is necessary and proportionate. This could potentially violate data minimization principles under various privacy laws, including the Florida Information Protection Act (FIPA).
The response provided by QuickBooks does not sufficiently address the serious legal concerns related to data privacy, consumer protection, and the unauthorized withholding of funds. The practices described, including the collection of extensive personal data without clear consent and the misleading explanations provided for withholding payments, may violate multiple consumer protection and privacy laws, including:
- Washington Consumer Protection Act (RCW 19.86)
- New Mexico Unfair Practices Act (NMSA 1978, Section 57-12-1)
- Colorado Consumer Protection Act (C.R.S. § 6-1-105)
- Florida Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act (FDUTPA)
- Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 6801-6809)
- Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 41-58)
- Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. §§ 1681 et seq.)
Given the gravity of these concerns, I reiterate my demand for a detailed explanation and immediate resolution. I also urge QuickBooks to reassess its data collection and sharing practices to ensure full compliance with applicable laws.
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