Is it ALL subscription going forward?

just testing to see if i get the reply via email...

You can recover from your last QB2017 Backup.  And that file will still work in QB2017.

And if you still have QB2019 installed, you can try the File > Utility > Repair File and Network Problems (vs the Rebuild Data that's down at the bottom of the list).

And it's not unusual to have an occasional data corruption (why you should backup often), but to have multiple corruptions like you're describing might mean something else is going on.  Is your company file located on the same machine you're working in QBs?  Or by chance are you using Multi-User mode and the company file is on a second machine?  If it is, are you using WiFi to connect to it?  (Not talking about WiFi to the Internet, but to your Company.QBW file.)

Either that, or you never really fixed your corrupt data and that may be why the problem keeps reappearing. 

And the current Desktop version is QB2021 if you wanted to give that a shot.  And no, you do not need to switch to a subscription (though people say it's coming - but I think it would be a bad idea). 

You can download a trial version and see what happens.  But just like the QB2019 version, you CANNOT open the file in an older QBs version once  you have converted it.  So you need to keep a Backup and do some work and decide if you want  to stay with the new version.  So if you do not, you can easily go back to your QB2017 and you can re-do the work you did while testing QB2021.

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@Pete_Mc wrote:

You can recover from your last QB2017 Backup.  And that file will still work in QB2017.

 

And if you still have QB2019 installed, you can try the File > Utility > Repair File and Network Problems (vs the Rebuild Data that's down at the bottom of the list).

 

And it's not unusual to have an occasional data corruption (why you should backup often), but to have multiple corruptions like you're describing might mean something else is going on.  Is your company file located on the same machine you're working in QBs?  Or by chance are you using Multi-User mode and the company file is on a second machine?  If it is, are you using WiFi to connect to it?  (Not talking about WiFi to the Internet, but to your Company.QBW file.)

 

Either that, or you never really fixed your corrupt data and that may be why the problem keeps reappearing. 

 

And the current Desktop version is QB2021 if you wanted to give that a shot.  And no, you do not need to switch to a subscription (though people say it's coming - but I think it would be a bad idea). 

 

You can download a trial version and see what happens.  But just like the QB2019 version, you CANNOT open the file in an older QBs version once  you have converted it.  So you need to keep a Backup and do some work and decide if you want  to stay with the new version.  So if you do not, you can easily go back to your QB2017 and you can re-do the work you did while testing QB2021.

 

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Thanks for the quick response! As stated in my initial post I really don't use QB except for tax prep, so it took me a while to figure out why all the company file backups I had weren't opening - b/c it was 2017 trying to load 2019 which is the most current backup (3/20). After the initial debacle with china I had to hire a QB expert to cleanup 7 years of work, so it REALLY gave me a distaste for QB.

As it stands now I have a fully functional DTP 2017, and I could load a 2017 file and record all transactions to bring it current to 2020 or buy the current version to simply load the 3/2020 backup but the question remains: is everything on a perpetual subscription or can I simply pay QB an upgrade fee and 'buy' the program & license without having to pay an annual fee? If so, can this be done today without QB sales since they are closed on weekends? Not only do I need to bring this year current, but I need to drill down on my 2019 P&L but don't want to screw it up even more by loading my 2019 backup into 2021 if that will cause me to have to get stuck on a perpetual subscription when I can just take the lumps & stick with 2017 sans updates.

You can still purchase QB2021 Desktop for a one upgrade fee.  Look in the Help menu and there should be an UPGRADE option (not update). 

I'm not sure what page it will take you to, but odds are it will be for a subscription.  But there should be a button to turn off the Subscription and get the One-Time Purchase.  They will also probably push you towards their Payroll Service and their QB Bank.  All of which you can decline.

Also, although QB/Intuit Support has expired on your QB2017 and the Bank Feed option will no longer work.  QB2017 will still function just fine.  Though you may still want to upgrading...

I saw that you said you only use QBs for Taxes, but I'm going to read into that statement that you only enter things at the end of the year.  And that's a LOT to enter even if you group multiple things into one entry.  You might balance your time vs purchasing a new version of QBs every three years.   (And no I don't work for QBs and note that I pointed out you can just stick with QB2017...)

But I run a small business and it would kill me to try and enter everything my Accountant needed at the end of the year.  And I actually like to see how the business is doing, so I put everything into QBs as it "typically" is used by most people.

But you might consider a Monthly Dump if you're going for the big picture and don't mind some errors (maybe less than what you're ending up with now).  So once a week, two weeks, month, whatever...  But much smaller increments, you do a Bank Feed and every month you Reconcile your Banking and Credit Card statements in QBs.  At this point I'm assuming there are not a lot of entries, so go through and change the Expense Category or show Deposits and Income or whatever they are so that your Company Expenses and Income show up correctly on the reports.  Basically what I'm guessing you're doing now. 

Over all time by the end of the year may not be that much different, but there are TWO BIG overall differences.  First, you're not blocking out HUGE amounts of time at the end of the year to "deal with" all the QB entries.  It's smaller more manageable periods throughout the years. (Sort of how people are told to deal with their email, a little few times a day and don't let it become a huge list.)

The other big advantage is that all those checks and CC charges are much easier to remember what they were for if it's been within the last few weeks. 

Just a thought...

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@Pete_Mc wrote:

You can still purchase QB2021 Desktop for a one upgrade fee.  Look in the Help menu and there should be an UPGRADE option (not update). 

 

I'm not sure what page it will take you to, but odds are it will be for a subscription.  But there should be a button to turn off the Subscription and get the One-Time Purchase.  They will also probably push you towards their Payroll Service and their QB Bank.  All of which you can decline.

 

Also, although QB/Intuit Support has expired on your QB2017 and the Bank Feed option will no longer work.  QB2017 will still function just fine.  Though you may still want to upgrading...

 

I saw that you said you only use QBs for Taxes, but I'm going to read into that statement that you only enter things at the end of the year.  And that's a LOT to enter even if you group multiple things into one entry.  You might balance your time vs purchasing a new version of QBs every three years.   (And no I don't work for QBs and note that I pointed out you can just stick with QB2017...)

 

But I run a small business and it would kill me to try and enter everything my Accountant needed at the end of the year.  And I actually like to see how the business is doing, so I put everything into QBs as it "typically" is used by most people.

 

But you might consider a Monthly Dump if you're going for the big picture and don't mind some errors (maybe less than what you're ending up with now).  So once a week, two weeks, month, whatever...  But much smaller increments, you do a Bank Feed and every month you Reconcile your Banking and Credit Card statements in QBs.  At this point I'm assuming there are not a lot of entries, so go through and change the Expense Category or show Deposits and Income or whatever they are so that your Company Expenses and Income show up correctly on the reports.  Basically what I'm guessing you're doing now. 

 

Over all time by the end of the year may not be that much different, but there are TWO BIG overall differences.  First, you're not blocking out HUGE amounts of time at the end of the year to "deal with" all the QB entries.  It's smaller more manageable periods throughout the years. (Sort of how people are told to deal with their email, a little few times a day and don't let it become a huge list.)

 

The other big advantage is that all those checks and CC charges are much easier to remember what they were for if it's been within the last few weeks. 

 

Just a thought...

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Thanks for all the info. I installed 2020 trial & am able to get into my company file. I installed 2017 & activated, but when I try to upgrade it only pushes me onto a subscription model. Am I missing something you said or is there really no way of getting around the subscription?

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@Pete_Mc wrote:

You can still purchase QB2021 Desktop for a one upgrade fee.  Look in the Help menu and there should be an UPGRADE option (not update). 

 

I'm not sure what page it will take you to, but odds are it will be for a subscription.  But there should be a button to turn off the Subscription and get the One-Time Purchase.  They will also probably push you towards their Payroll Service and their QB Bank.  All of which you can decline.

 

Also, although QB/Intuit Support has expired on your QB2017 and the Bank Feed option will no longer work.  QB2017 will still function just fine.  Though you may still want to upgrading...

 

I saw that you said you only use QBs for Taxes, but I'm going to read into that statement that you only enter things at the end of the year.  And that's a LOT to enter even if you group multiple things into one entry.  You might balance your time vs purchasing a new version of QBs every three years.   (And no I don't work for QBs and note that I pointed out you can just stick with QB2017...)

 

But I run a small business and it would kill me to try and enter everything my Accountant needed at the end of the year.  And I actually like to see how the business is doing, so I put everything into QBs as it "typically" is used by most people.

 

But you might consider a Monthly Dump if you're going for the big picture and don't mind some errors (maybe less than what you're ending up with now).  So once a week, two weeks, month, whatever...  But much smaller increments, you do a Bank Feed and every month you Reconcile your Banking and Credit Card statements in QBs.  At this point I'm assuming there are not a lot of entries, so go through and change the Expense Category or show Deposits and Income or whatever they are so that your Company Expenses and Income show up correctly on the reports.  Basically what I'm guessing you're doing now. 

 

Over all time by the end of the year may not be that much different, but there are TWO BIG overall differences.  First, you're not blocking out HUGE amounts of time at the end of the year to "deal with" all the QB entries.  It's smaller more manageable periods throughout the years. (Sort of how people are told to deal with their email, a little few times a day and don't let it become a huge list.)

 

The other big advantage is that all those checks and CC charges are much easier to remember what they were for if it's been within the last few weeks. 

 

Just a thought...

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Thank you for those screenshots, QuickCrooks1.

Allow me to provide additional information on how you can use QuickBooks Desktop (QBDT) 2020.

Upgrading the version inside QBDT 2017 requires an active subscription. You'll want to look and buy QBDT 2020 from a retail store to get the new software. Then, install and activate it on your computer. 

Once the product is all set, you can restore the 2017 company file to QBDT 2020 and work on your transactions.

You can also contact our Support Team as they can provide more options for you since you only need a standalone system. 

I've added this link for an overview of your current QuickBooks Desktop 2017: QuickBooks Desktop service discontinuation policy and upgrade information.

Stay in touch with me by commenting below whenever you need additional information. I'm always around to help.

@QuickCrooks1 

You said your file tended to corrupted. How big is your file size?

If you wish to upgrade your QBD, you may purchase the one time license of QBD 2021 directly or thru a partner/reseller for the lower price. You may also consider upgrading it to QBD 2020 instead of QBD 2021 to save some money. 

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@MaryLandT wrote:

Thank you for those screenshots, QuickCrooks1.

 

Allow me to provide additional information on how you can use QuickBooks Desktop (QBDT) 2020.

 

Upgrading the version inside QBDT 2017 requires an active subscription. You'll want to look and buy QBDT 2020 from a retail store to get the new software. Then, install and activate it on your computer. 

 

Once the product is all set, you can restore the 2017 company file to QBDT 2020 and work on your transactions.

 

You can also contact our Support Team as they can provide more options for you since you only need a standalone system. 

 

I've added this link for an overview of your current QuickBooks Desktop 2017: QuickBooks Desktop service discontinuation policy and upgrade information.

 

Stay in touch with me by commenting below whenever you need additional information. I'm always around to help.

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So how is it that I'm in year 2020 trying to buy DTP (non-subscription) 2020 or 2021 and it costs $100 more than when I upgraded through my 2017 version to 2020 on 3/9/19 for $199.99? REALLY SICK of all the b.s. with the price gouging. Checking with your preferred retailers:

"Sometimes you might get an even better deal through a retail store or website. We want you to get the best deal, so we encourage you to check with the retailers listed below:"

the lowest price was $299 for DTP 2020.

How do I get the nonsubscription desktop pro for $199?

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@QuickCrooks1 wrote:

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@MaryLandT wrote:

Thank you for those screenshots, QuickCrooks1.

 

Allow me to provide additional information on how you can use QuickBooks Desktop (QBDT) 2020.

 

Upgrading the version inside QBDT 2017 requires an active subscription. You'll want to look and buy QBDT 2020 from a retail store to get the new software. Then, install and activate it on your computer. 

 

Once the product is all set, you can restore the 2017 company file to QBDT 2020 and work on your transactions.

 

You can also contact our Support Team as they can provide more options for you since you only need a standalone system. 

 

I've added this link for an overview of your current QuickBooks Desktop 2017: QuickBooks Desktop service discontinuation policy and upgrade information.

 

Stay in touch with me by commenting below whenever you need additional information. I'm always around to help.

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So how is it that I'm in year 2020 trying to buy DTP (non-subscription) 2020 or 2021 and it costs $100 more than when I upgraded through my 2017 version to 2020 on 3/9/19 for $199.99? REALLY SICK of all the b.s. with the price gouging. Checking with your preferred retailers:

"Sometimes you might get an even better deal through a retail store or website. We want you to get the best deal, so we encourage you to check with the retailers listed below:"

Amazon	Costco	Sam's Club
Best Buy	Office Depot	Staples
BJ’s Wholesale Club	OfficeMax	Walmart

the lowest price was $299 for DTP 2020.

 

How do I get the nonsubscription desktop pro for $199?

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How do I get the nonsubscription desktop pro for $199?

CRICKETS......

Hello there, Sgoeckner and QuickCrooks1, 

You can purchase QuickBooks Desktop Pro retail. It would be nice if you select an annual since it's cheaper than the other one. A single purchase is good for three years, that's why the amount is higher than one.

You can use this link where you can choose your QuickBooks Desktop product and get the non-subscription desktop pro for $199: https://quickbooks.intuit.com/desktop/. 

Let me know if you have other questions. Take care always and stay safe, both.

Okay, I, too only need the standalone, single-license version of Quickbooks Pro 2021 (not the subscription "Plus" version) for $199 (since this would be an upgrade from my current Quickbooks Pro 2018 version I'm assuming that I would qualify for special upgrade pricing) and I clicked on the link provided by the Moderator for (what is clearly stated as) the non-subscription download but the only option available when you follow that link indicates that it's "per year", meaning it's the subscription version. Please provide a link to download the standalone, non-subscription, single-license upgrade version of Quickbooks Pro 2021.

Thank you.

Supposedly Non-subscription (Standalone) Version Of Quickbooks Pro 2021 

@GordonRam 

https://quickbooks.intuit.com/desktop/pro/

As another option, purchase a one time license of QBD 2021 Premier for 1 user worth $499 thru a partner,

Thanks for joining this thread, GordonRam.

When you go to https://quickbooks.intuit.com/desktop/, all you have to do is toggle the Software and added services to Software only. That way, you can see the Pro 2021 one-time purchase.

You can also go to https://quickbooks.intuit.com/desktop/pro/. Just scroll down and you'll see the Pro 2021 One-time payment.

Additionally, you'll want to reach out to our Support Team. They can offer you special upgrade pricing. 

1. Go to the Help menu and select QuickBooks Desktop Help.
2. Select Contact Us and enter a brief description of your issue.
3. Tap Let's talk and then choose a way to connect.

I've added some links you can check. These will show you how to upgrade your QuickBooks Desktop:

• Upgrade to newer versions of QuickBooks Desktop
• QuickBooks Desktop service discontinuation policy and upgrade information

Post again here if you need anything else. We'll respond as soon as we can.

Thanks, but the link you provided shows a price of $399.99 (still 'way high), not $499.99, so we're going in the right direction here. However (and as I stated) the purchase in question would be an upgrade from Quickbooks Pro 2018 so I'm expecting some kind of upgrade pricing, since I've been a loyal user and customer for many years now. The earlier poster (a moderator or somebody employed by Intuit, I assume) clearly said that the other link lead to a single-license, standalone, non-subscription upgrade version of QB Pro 2021 for $199.99, which is a fair price for an upgrade version of the program. If I was a 1st time user then I could understand the "retail" price of $399.99 but as I mentioned, this would be an upgrade from a previous version and not a 1st time purchase. Upgrade pricing is really the only incentive (especially where high-dollar software is concerned) that keeps customers coming back...

@GordonRam 

Afaik, there is no such of that policy (i.e upgrade price). You may purchase a one time license of QB Desktop and use it for good. Most of the time a user need to upgrade or purchase a new license when they are upgrading their Windows OS.  

I didn't notice that "toggle" - thank you for pointing that out!

Did you ever get an answer to this last question?  I too have QBPro 2018 and looking to upgrade to a standalone license but see only a subscription-based purchase of $199.99 per year. :(

@WiseWomenFitness 

It offers $399.99 for a one time license of QBD 2021 Pro 1 user

https:// quickbooks.intuit.com/desktop/pro/

As another option, you may purchase the license thru a partner and get the validation/activation code in one package. You won't need to struggle asking the code to Support.  

I get the whole idea that Quickbooks will no longer be supporting a 3-year old application. Microsoft does the same with their Windows OS. My question is more towards the services that Intuit/Quckbooks offers. That unless you pay the yearly subscription, does that mean you can no long use the Quickbooks online payment and their Merchant Account for customer payments? Or would you have to find a new payment service?

I appreciate you joining in this thread, Part-Timer. Allow me to provide some information about the QuickBooks Desktop products.

Yes, you're right. QuickBooks Desktop stand-alone is valid for three years. You can still use the product, however, Intuit discontinues live support and access to add-on business services to focus on supporting more current versions.

The QuickBooks services that will stop working includes the following:

• Live Support
• Payroll Services Updates
• Email from QuickBooks
• QuickBooks Online Payment or Intuit Payment Network
• Credit Card Processing (Merchant Account)
• Bank Downloads

You might want to consider upgrading your QuickBooks Desktop to avoid service interruption. The following resources are good references. These will provide you more details about the QuickBooks system requirements as well as changes included in each release: 

Release notes for QuickBooks Desktop 2021.

System requirements for QuickBooks Desktop 2021.

Please continue to reach out to me if I can be of help while you're working in QuickBooks Desktop or if you have any other program-related concerns. I'm always here to help you out.

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@Part-Timer wrote:

That unless you pay the yearly subscription, does that mean you can no long use the Quickbooks online payment and their Merchant Account for customer payments? Or would you have to find a new payment service?

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@Part-Timer 

Afaik, you don't need to pay the annual subscription. If you are using the one time license of QBD version, the web connector will be running normally as long as they still support the year version.

Actually no...   It is true you can keep using QBs itself as long as you want.  Occasionally you will see people trying to upgrade from a 10 year old version of QBs.

HOWEVER....  If you want to use any of the external services like Bank Feed, etc., those stop working after 3 years.  Any security patches or other updates, as well as Intuit Support also stops after 3 years.  It's been this way for quite a while.