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December 11, 2018
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How should we account for guaranteed payments owed to the partners?

  • December 11, 2018
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Our partnership makes guaranteed payments to the partners, but occasionally we choose to defer those payments when capital is needed elsewhere.

We want to track "guaranteed payments owed", but I'm not clear what the best approach is for this.  Here's what I've got so far:

We've created an "other current liability" account for each partner to reflect payments owed.  When payments are scheduled, we create a transaction into this account from an expense account (not sure whether to use cogs or a specific guaranteed payments expense), thereby increasing the liability.

When we make a payment, we create a transaction into this account from our bank account, decreasing the liability.

Is this a sensible approach?  How could it be improved?

Best answer by Rustler

the guaranteed payment is required to be stated in the partnership agreement, amount and duration, other wise an audit will disallow the P&L expense.

A guaranteed payment is never COGS, it is an expense

Your procedure works as far as whether you pay the amount or post it to a liability account
Other wise, a partner takes an equity draw, which is not an expense to the partnership
For a company taxed as a sole proprietor or partnership, I recommend you have the following for owner/partner equity accounts  (one set for each partner if a partnership)
[name] Equity (do not post to this account it is a summing account)
>> Equity
>> Equity Drawing - you record value you take from the business here
>> Equity Investment - record value you put into the business here

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Rustler
RustlerAnswer
Level 15
December 11, 2018

the guaranteed payment is required to be stated in the partnership agreement, amount and duration, other wise an audit will disallow the P&L expense.

A guaranteed payment is never COGS, it is an expense

Your procedure works as far as whether you pay the amount or post it to a liability account
Other wise, a partner takes an equity draw, which is not an expense to the partnership
For a company taxed as a sole proprietor or partnership, I recommend you have the following for owner/partner equity accounts  (one set for each partner if a partnership)
[name] Equity (do not post to this account it is a summing account)
>> Equity
>> Equity Drawing - you record value you take from the business here
>> Equity Investment - record value you put into the business here

Dan2Author
December 11, 2018
Thanks for the tips.  I've altered our CoA so that guaranteed payments are an expense, while 'Guarantee Payments Owed' is a (other current) liability.

One thing about recording guaranteed payments owed as a liability is that they show on both cash-based and accrual-based reports.  Is that appropriate?  I feel like deferred guaranteed payments should not show on cash-based reports.
qbteachmt
Level 11
December 11, 2018

I think you should ask your own CPA, because if this was me, I would be making the Expense entry as "Redeposited" as Partner contribution for Equity, not as liability. You should ask if there is no reason you cannot treat this as "reinvested" instead of "owed."

Your financial reports will look better.

Dan2Author
December 11, 2018
That's an interesting idea, although I'm not sure it will work for us:  Our partners's guaranteed payments are unequal - proportional to their labor/service to the company, not to their ownership.  Some partners receive no guaranteed payments because they provide no services to the company.

Reinvesting the guaranteed payments would change the balance of equity in the company, something we'd like to avoid (and governed by special provisions in our operating agreement anyway)
qbteachmt
Level 11
December 11, 2018

"I feel like deferred guaranteed payments should not show on cash-based reports."

When you use Journal Entries, you bypassed that differentiation and made a brute force accounting entry that always shows on both bases.

"Reinvesting the guaranteed payments would change the balance of equity in the company, something we'd like to avoid (and governed by special provisions in our operating agreement anyway)"

Which is why all of us refer you to your own CPA for this Accounting Guidance question.
December 11, 2018
It does not seem like a consensus has been reached here. The scenario at the top seems to say that the Guaranteed Payment is categorized in an expense account and unpaid amounts are accrued in a liability account. This seems logical to me. It is not clear to me if the first answer is in agreement with this method because of the later discussion of the equity accounts.

At our startup, we are faced with the same scenario as discussed above. We make guaranteed payments to accommodate a disparity in work effort relative to partner interest stake. In other words, the partner doing all the work makes a living wage before distributions are made to the partners that include silent investing partners.

Everything would work fine if a Guaranteed Payment was actually guaranteed in a startup company but it is not. The problem with all the internet chatter on this matter is that the definition of Guaranteed Payments is always copy/pasted without a discussion of what happens when you can't make a full payment. If you copy paste the definition, the language states that the payment is made regardless of profit or loss. This works if you have investors that make up the difference during the period of a net loss on the P&L. When a startup is living on a cash basis and there is no cash, the bank account does not allow for a negative number. The solution is that the partner who should be getting a Guaranteed Payment (GP) defers the payment.

I understand the desire, however, to record the deferment in order to keep track of the sacrifice one partner is making. At a later date, that partner should have the option to either receive his deferred GPs ahead of partner distributions or dissolve the debt.

From an accounting perspective, I don't see any legitimate way to classify the deferred payment as a capital contribution or people would say that their GPs are $1M/mo but they can only pay $10,000/mo so the remaining $990,000 is a capital contribution. This would sure be a great tax benefit on the sale of the company.

An equity draw seems to be a common discussion and the concept of three equity accounts, but it really does not address the purpose of Guaranteed Payments to account for partners with a disparity in effort relative to interest stake.

So in the end, here is my problem. If you don't record the full GP as an expense on the P&L you don't have a clear picture of the companies performance. In other words, you can artificially make the company look like it is breaking even by shifting an unpaid GP to a liability account. While I agree that one should base performance on all three statements, the P&L speaks very loud and it is difficult for silent partners to understand why they are not getting distributions when the P&L is black.

If you record the GP in full but don't actually pay the GP, the partner who should have received it will have great heartburn on tax day.

For me, this long discussion supports the original question/statement of method. My question is to ask, where I am going wrong?
March 23, 2019

I had a similar question as well. I am setting up a partnership for a client of mine on QuickBooks Online. I created three accounts for the partners like Partner's Contributions, Partner's Distributions and Partner's Equity. Now the partners don't have the same percentage of the business, like the one has 97% and the other 3%. One of them gets paid for their services to the partnership, the 3% partner. How do I record that payment under which account does it go to (Do they also get a 1099 to show they got paid?) and also how do I record the retained earnings? Like do I create a retained earning for each partner since they do not have equal percentage. Does QuickBooks Online have something that I can put the percentage of each partner so it does it automatically? Do the partners each get taxed on their own individual portion of the income? Do I need to manually do journal entries in order to put everything in the right place (like retained earnings, etc.)? If one partner doesn't ever take out of the business they are still taxed on their retained earnings correct? How do I create an owner's draw for each partner on QuickBooks online? I appreciate all the help and advice that I get since this is my first time doing a partnership.